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Post by commanche on Dec 16, 2003 21:21:00 GMT -5
our dcnr and game commisiion are at it again. they found out that we are not killing does.so, they trying to come up with ideas to wipe our herds out here.first, what herds?  ?what deer?here is one of there ideas. they may not let us kill bucks in future [only] does.they figure then that we will kill the does for meat.i got news for them,i and my relatives will nit kill a doe even if they put a gun to my head.so, good luck.also,a friend of mine left his relatives in to hunt buck the first week on his property.guess what they did? they shot 3 of his button bucks. he was so mad he threw them off his property and said dont ever come back.he ended up over at the hospital with chest pains.i see familys breaking up over this doe killing, very sad.what has our sportsmen become? is meat not the hunt the way some are hunting now? its sad. i used to let hunters into my property with promise they would not shoot my fawns,they shot them. so now, no hunting on my land. i feel bad about it too .and yes, some were my relatives too.  |
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Post by flhuntress on Dec 16, 2003 22:22:10 GMT -5
sounds like you're gonna have to start killin' does or give up huntin' until the buck #'s start to rise.
it's a bummer that those are your two options but killin' does is necessary...doesn't mean you have to do it but it is necessary.
hope y'all are able to come to some sort of compromise cause givin' up huntin' would probably be just as bad as killin' a doe would be to you.
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Post by Biggie on Dec 17, 2003 3:04:07 GMT -5
Dude they eat the same. Why does the dee have to have a big rack to be "shooter" in your eyes? If they are thinking of a doe only season then doesn't that mean that the deer population is too big and needs to be reduced? I know here and a few other properties we have reduced the number of does and the humber of bigger bucks is on a rise. We may not see as many deer but the ones you do see are bigger.
Sorry to see anyone that loves to hunt to not do so but all I can say is it will be more deer in another mans freezer and less in yours.
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Post by Davidmil on Dec 17, 2003 8:03:25 GMT -5
I don't suppose you believe in condoms, women voting, emancipation, spay and neutering etc etc either. Time to join the 21st century there dude. |
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Post by benhuntin on Dec 17, 2003 9:05:07 GMT -5
Killing some does is neccessary for a well balanced deer herd. I dont think the Wildlife Commission is planning on
decimating the herd. I dont know which section of Pennsylvania you are from but I do know this. My vacation up to Maine last summer was almost ended in Pennsylvania due to, not one, but four near misses with deer up in your area. I saw more deer through that state than all of them put together.
Hopefully they will come up with a solution that ya'll can live with. Good luck.
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Post by t-roy on Dec 17, 2003 9:40:51 GMT -5
that same uninformed thinking is causing the same problems in iowa. one of the suggestions is no buck tags next year or 2. the head hunters are crying, and saying they won't hunt. people have to understand that an unbalanced herd will not produce big bucks. try talking to a dnr officer, read a book on deer management. you complain about the problem, then follow practices that allows the problem to grow, and grow. if you won't kill a doe for meat, why in the hell do you hunt, just for horns? the meat from does is more tender, and has better taste. i would think it would be better to kill an animal to feed you family, than to kill an animal just for the pretty horns. maybe you should quit hunting altogether and just look for sheds in the spring
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Post by SteveMD on Dec 17, 2003 9:44:12 GMT -5
Commanche, you need to kill does!! If we as hunters do not do our part to control deer numbers, the anti's and non-hunters will legislate our hunting priveleges out of existence. And believe me we are being looked at now, due to the large number of auto-deer accidents, crop damage claims, and home owners insurance claims for landscaping damage. And we can not control the number of deer by killing only bucks, because the remaining bucks will breed all the does. The only way to control the number of deer is thru killing does to remove them and the future deer they would produce.
Now you may do as you want on your land and elsewhere you hunt, but for as me, I shoot as many does as I do bucks, sometimes more!!
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Post by flhuntress on Dec 17, 2003 11:44:09 GMT -5
if you don't want to shoot the does just call me and i'll come up and do your dirty work for ya.  ;D |
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Post by commanche on Dec 17, 2003 12:30:41 GMT -5
we are raised as [hunters].the stalk of the hunt, pride,being a man or a women ..only kids and little girls shoot does.filhuntress, you are to old for doe killing, only first year at 12.this is our heritage. as for how bucks grow old and how to manage a deer herd. we had deer when we had control of things. we dont now as they are handling it. its this simple. 80 acres of land here generates 800,000 in revenue to state.dcnr wants[all] deer gone not just a few[all].if we had a overabunance of deer , i would be first to say ,yes kill off a few does.but we dont.and another thing, believe what you want, dcnr,game commission.magazines,all lie about what is going on here.so, you have your opinions, thats fine. if you would like to come here i will take you out and show you miles of land without a deer.i used to count 100 in 5 miles, now 3 maybe.take care |
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Post by SteveMD on Dec 17, 2003 12:33:29 GMT -5
Amen, FL, let me at them!! Commanche- PA has between 1.5 million & 2 million deer out of the about 20-30 million deer we have in this country. That is more than when we first came here from Europe and they live in less area now than they did then, and it means we have too many. You must kill does so that they do not eat themselves out of house & home!!
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Post by commanche on Dec 17, 2003 13:07:31 GMT -5
also just because the game commission and dcnr says their is too many deer,do you believe them?why would they lie,you say?MONEYthats why. hunting numbers have been going down,they will say no their not.who do you believe?people cant get off work no more. we used to lose a days pay to hunt but we always got our buck. now, you can take off and you will not get your deer, thats for sure.so, hunters are reducing.game wardens now worry about trees more than deer.MONEY is in the trees.if you have not read up on [boidevirsity],i have,you better soon.it means this , 1 raccon,i grouse, i fox,20 coyotes cause they kill deer,3 turkeys,3 deer,1 bear etc.for 5 miles, thats right 5 miles,the best is the end of the [biodevirsity] it says [no humans]you dont think that they are going to do this?i will show you a plan they have to close over 50 miles of state land here,turn it into [biodeviresity]who is behind this?DCNR,you better be buying private land now .the killing of all the does or deer is there plan.when there is no deer left and no hunters buying licenses,as i am seeing now here,this is when DCNR will quietly sneak in and take your rights away. i see it everyday now. almost all roads are closed that used to be open to hunt.elderly cannot get in to their hunting areas anymore.DCNR does not care.they dont want people in the woods,its that simple. they are building all kinds of [trails ] here for activitys,why you think they are doing this?to keep you regulated and watched and where they want you to be.please take a few hours to read[boideiversity] i am sure you will be shocked.
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Post by commanche on Dec 17, 2003 13:13:50 GMT -5
stevemd,its sad you believe what you hear or read.come here with me, i will take you out .maybe, just maybe you will have a different view, the [true] view.take care
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Post by benhuntin on Dec 17, 2003 13:54:06 GMT -5
we are raised as [hunters].the stalk of the hunt, pride,being a man or a women ..only kids and little girls shoot does.filhuntress, you are to old for doe killing, only first year at 12.this is our heritage. Commanche, with all due respect, who taught you that there was an age limit on shooting a doe? You are in the minority when it comes to this belief my friend. Shooting does is sound management practice as well as good eating wether shot by a 12 year old or a 65 year old. Ive killed three does and three bucks this year. Damn proud of every one of them. |
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Post by noonebil on Dec 17, 2003 14:01:10 GMT -5
I do not live where you do, but here in Georgia, the deer herd can withstand the taking of does. In fact to improve the health of the herd, it is imperative that does be removed. Yes, I believe the wildlife biologists. I know several of them personally. Not just casual acquantances, but friends. I also believe what I see. Since doe tags have increased, the bucks are bigger (both in weight & antler size).
I have said it before, many 'old timers' here believed like you do & refused to kill does. As a new generation of hunters emerges, killing does has not only become acceptable, but a responsibility they take seriously.
Again, I don't presume to know what is really happening in your state (although I tend to believe the DCNR is right). I do hope whatever the truth is, that it come to light & the deer herd can be improved because of it.
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Post by SteveMD on Dec 17, 2003 14:15:41 GMT -5
Yes I believe the DNR, but I also believe my eyes. I live in western MD and travel the PA roads quite often, and I normally see a dead deer every 2-3 miles or less. You my friend need to read more, and do your part in managing the deer herd properly. You need to stop believing that what your father & grandfather taught you is still right- never kill does. That was fine from 1900 until the middle to late 70's, when we wanted more deer, but now we have too many deer and MUST KILL DOES!!!!
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